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William de Say

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  1. 1.  William de Say was born , of Kimbolton; died Aug 1144, at seige of Burwell Castle.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !possibly son of William de Say,(by Agnes de Grentmesnil),who was witness to a charter of Henry I to the Abbey of St Evroult,1113,and who was possibily son of Geoffrey de Say aboved named,who Flourshed shortly after the Conquest.He m. Beatric e de Mandeville,sister of Geoffrey 1st Earl of Essex,and by her,who was stated to be 80 years of age in 1185,had issue.

    William — Beatrix de Mandeville. Beatrix (daughter of William de Mandeville) was born 1105, of Essex; died 1201. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 2. Isolda de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Kimbolton.
    2. 3. Geoffrey de Say  Descendancy chart to this point died 1215.
    3. 4. William de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born Bef 1140, of Kimbolton and Saham; died Bef Aug 1177.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Isolda de Say Descendancy chart to this point (1.William1) was born , of Kimbolton.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Isolda — Ralph de Berners. [Group Sheet]


  2. 3.  Geoffrey de Say Descendancy chart to this point (1.William1) died 1215.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Geoffrey — Lettice de Maminot. (daughter of Walklin de Maminot and Julian de Vere) [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 5. Geoffrey de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born Bef 1140; died Bef 19 Mar 1214.

  3. 4.  William de Say Descendancy chart to this point (1.William1) was born Bef 1140, of Kimbolton and Saham; died Bef Aug 1177.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !son and heir. (Roi de Dominabus.rot 5d Hunts).He certified his Barony in 1166 (Lib.Rub.fo 111d Hunts).

    William — . Unknown [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 6. Beatrice de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Kimbolton and Saham.
    2. 7. Maud de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Kimbolton and Saham; died Bef 28 Mar 1222.


Generation: 3

  1. 5.  Geoffrey de Say Descendancy chart to this point (3.Geoffrey2, 1.William1) was born Bef 1140; died Bef 19 Mar 1214.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !brother and heir-male.Born before 1140.He had a Protracted suit with Geoffrey Fitzpiers,husband of his niece Beatrice,for the lands of the Earldom of Essex,1st Dec.1194 (Rot.Cur,Regis I.p 129).and he is still recorded as owing 7000 marks for tha t inheritance as late as 1202 (Rot.Canc.3 Joh.m 9).although Geoffrey Fitzpiers had been
    recognised as Earl of Essex since Easter 1190.(Rot.Pip.2 Ric.1.Essex and Herts).In 1210,he answered,apparently
    as heir,for 27 knights fees of the Barony of Wachelin Maminot,of Greenwich,Berling,etc.,Kent.(Lib.Rub.fo 132Ad
    Kent),and confirmed the grants of the said Wachelin,whom he styles his ancestor,to Begeham Abbey.(mon.Ang.II,640a n 30).The exact relationship is unknown,but the Maminot property continued in this family during the succeeding generations.He m (1), before 1180,Alice,dau.and co-heir of John de Cheney,and widow of Hugh de Piris (Genealogist,N.S.vol XVII p 9;Eyton,Shropshire,III 362) by whom he had issue,

    Geoffrey — Alice de Vere. Alice (daughter of Aubrey de Vere) was born , of Oxford. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 8. Geoffrey de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born , of Rickling, Essex.

    Geoffrey — Alice de Cheney. (daughter of John de Cheney) [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 9. Geoffrey de Say  Descendancy chart to this point died 19 Aug 1230, At Sea; was buried , Dover.
    2. 10. William de Say  Descendancy chart to this point died Bef 08 Mar 1198.

  2. 6.  Beatrice de Say Descendancy chart to this point (4.William2, 1.William1) was born , of Kimbolton and Saham.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Beatrice married Geoffrey Fitzpiers, Chief Justice of England Bef 25 Jan 1185. Geoffrey died 1214. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 11. Geoffrey de Mandeville  Descendancy chart to this point died 23 Feb 1216.
    2. 12. William de Mandeville  Descendancy chart to this point died 08 Jan 1227.
    3. 13. Maud de Mandeville  Descendancy chart to this point died 27 Aug 1236.
    4. 14. Henry Fitzpiers  Descendancy chart to this point

    Beatrice — John Wahull, Baron. John was born , of Wahull. [Group Sheet]


  3. 7.  Maud de Say Descendancy chart to this point (4.William2, 1.William1) was born , of Kimbolton and Saham; died Bef 28 Mar 1222.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !(Ann.Dunst.fo 21)

    Maud — William de Bocland. William died 1216. [Group Sheet]



Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Geoffrey de Say Descendancy chart to this point (5.Geoffrey3, 3.Geoffrey2, 1.William1) was born , of Rickling, Essex.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !His father gave him the manor of Rickling,Essex.This grant is witnessed by John Bishop of Worcester (20 th Oct.1196-24th Sep.1198).Aubrey de Vere,and others.(Ancient Deeds C3188).He had a confirmation of this from his half-brother Geoffrey (Ib. C 2287 ).He had a charter for free-warren there,30 th Jan.1265. (Cart.49 Hen.3.m 8).


  2. 9.  Geoffrey de Say Descendancy chart to this point (5.Geoffrey3, 3.Geoffrey2, 1.William1) died 19 Aug 1230, At Sea; was buried , Dover.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !2nd but eldest surviving son,by first wife.On 11th July 1214,he offered 15000 marks for such seisin of the lands of the Earl William de Mandeville,as Geoffrey de Say his father had on the day King Richard disseised him of it,and
    on 5th Aug.following had livery of his father's lands.He joined the Barons against John,and was one of the Guardians of Magna Carta.All his lands were granted to Peter de Creon,17th Oct.1215.On 9th Nov.1215,with Richard Earl of Clare and Robert Fi tsWalter,he had lettersof safe conduct to come to speak with the royalist delegates,regarding peace between the king and the barons.Having returned to fealty.he had restoration,14th Sep.1217.He was present at the seige of Bytham Castle in 1321;an d on 20th Oct.1221,had a grant for a weekly
    market at Sawbridgeworth,Herts.He confirmed his father's grants to the Hospital of St John,granting the manor of Saddlescombe in exchange for West Greenwich,which his father had formerly given;and also confirmed the grant to
    Begeham Abbey of a third part of Brockley,Kent,granted by his ancestor Wachelin Maminot.

    Geoffrey — Margaret de Briwere, de la Ferte. (daughter of William de Briwere) [Group Sheet]

    Geoffrey — Miss de Clare. Miss (daughter of / de Clare) was born , of Clare. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 15. William de Say  Descendancy chart to this point was born Bef 1208, of Sawbridgeworth, Herts.; died Bef 12 Feb 1272.

  3. 10.  William de Say Descendancy chart to this point (5.Geoffrey3, 3.Geoffrey2, 1.William1) died Bef 08 Mar 1198.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !o.s.p.,before 8th March 1198 (SEE charter in Ancient Deeds C2287 of Geoffrey his brother,witnessed by
    Eustace Bishop-Elect of Ely,who was not conscreated till 8th of Mar.1198).He was heir -apparent.


  4. 11.  Geoffrey de Mandeville Descendancy chart to this point (6.Beatrice3, 4.William2, 1.William1) died 23 Feb 1216.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !o.s.p.


  5. 12.  William de Mandeville Descendancy chart to this point (6.Beatrice3, 4.William2, 1.William1) died 08 Jan 1227.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009


  6. 13.  Maud de Mandeville Descendancy chart to this point (6.Beatrice3, 4.William2, 1.William1) died 27 Aug 1236.

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !This m.(Rot.Fin.12 Hen.3.m 9 ),but from him she was divorced,(Cl.20 Hen.3 m 9;Rot.Fin.20 Hen.3.m 10),but
    the degree being revoked by Papal Letters he had reseisin of her lands,3rd and 14 July 1236 (Cl.20 Hen.3.m 9;Rot.
    Fin.20 Hen.3.m 3 ).2nd source,in 1228,Maud Countess of Hereford was wife of Sir Roger de Dauntes (sp)and it continues,at some celebration she was again Countess and wife of Roger Dauntes.(hand written stuff is a pain).

    Maud — Henry de Bohun, Earl of Hereford. Henry (son of Humphrey IV de Bohun and Margaret Lady) died 01 Jun 1220, on his way to the Holy Land. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 16. Humphrey de Bohun, Second Earl of Hereford V  Descendancy chart to this point died 1275.
    2. 17. Henry de Bohun  Descendancy chart to this point

    Maud — Roger de Dauntesey. Roger was born , of Dauntesey and Wilsford, Wilts.. [Group Sheet]


  7. 14.  Henry Fitzpiers Descendancy chart to this point (6.Beatrice3, 4.William2, 1.William1)

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    • Record Change: 12 Apr 2009

    Notes:

    !was baron of (spelling=Walgrom Hampton).his name could be Mandeville.



 

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